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Newsweek columnist joe klein as its author which eventually led to this. >> my name is joe klein and i wrote "primary colors." i did it by myself with no help, no secret sources. >> david is with me, former white house chief speechwriter. david, welcome. nice to have you on. >> thank you for having me. >> so let's first start with, it was a source in the west wing saying that aides are following leads based upon the writing style in this anonymous opinion piece. so i want you to go back when you first started digging on "primary colors." what were your clues, tell-tale signs for you to go, aha...

That consumed washington for months during the clinton president. 1996, january, primary colors, a fictional political novel, was printed anonymously, but the characters were said to mirror and critique the clinton administration. when the book was adapted into a film, john travolta was cast as that president. >> so you know what i'm going to do? i'm fgoing to do something realy outrageous. i'm going to tell the truth. i know, i know what you're thinking. you're thinking he must really be desperate to do that, but if you had to swallow enough garbage -- >> you can say it. we're x-rated. >> yea...

>> that's right. we like a lot of alliterations. words starting with the same way. and what i'm thinking is that the person, either it was written for somebody by their speechwriter or written by someone who maybe didn't work full-time as a speechwriter, but someone who has written for other people before. >> you hit on noteworthy your point about unmoored. but the lodestar point, yes, everyone is jumping on this word, lodestar, a word not a lot of people were familiar with until this story was thrust in our faces. it means a guiding light, much like a north star. there is one, david, one seni...