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Pieces of evidence here that the trump team was essentially negotiating before it took office. with the russians on foreign policy. and what that looks like according to one person i talked to today, is a conspiracy to violate the logan act. a 1799 law that says you're not supposed to do that. that's never been prosecuted and no documents have mentioned it but an interesting idea and we know as a matter of tradition, we have one administration at a time and not considered proper for the incoming administration to be negotiating and undercutting the current administration. >> david from, as we ...

>> joining us now, david from, ken dilanian. and msnbc legal contributor. ken, i want to go to you first about the information you've delved about jared kushner's role in the legal filings that the special prosecutor filed today. >> that's right, lawrence. nbc news is reporting that jared kushner is the very senior transition official who tasked mike flynn with going about this united nations security counsel resolution condemning, that the obama administration would let pass and ultimately did pass. the israelis hated this resolution. the trump team is very public in opposing it, what mike fl...

Phrase of suicide mission. foreign minister said at the u.n. on saturday, none other than trump, himself, is on a suicide mission. so they've -- they're now using trump's language which sounds like north korean language. >> well, the axis of evil speech was delivered in 2002, four years before north korea became a nuclear power and marker of the united states' unsuccessful attempt to prevent north korea from becoming a nuclear power. once they're a nuclear weapon state, different things are in order. the later part of the bush administration had to deal diplomatically with north korea because ...

Order. the later part of the bush administration had to deal diplomatically with north korea because they were a nuclear weapon state. the obama administration followed a policy of sanctions and isolation that is more or less the same policy that donald trump is carrying out now, but he's doing it -- this -- the obama policy, but with his new provocative rhetoric that leads people to think there's something there. it's strong talk, but it's the same action. >> and david, the most recent lock her up rhetoric at a trump rally was actually friday. in alabama. and now we know, as we hit here tonig...

"atlantic." and david, for the president of the united states in a confrontation, crisis, whatever we want to call this with north korea, to stay we have no choice. >> yeah. >> is just the most inconceivable choice of presidential language prior to now, of course. >> i was involved with president bush's axis of evil speech a long time ago now. one of the things, people say a lot of things about the speech. one of the things, i i vit people to go back and read it, no threats. the idea of provocatively reaching out and making a threat to somebody, a vague threat, a nonspecific threat, a threat n...