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tell us, that he knew viviana. and confirmed that they did have a real relationship. not everybody would have a prayer card from a funeral inside their cell. you're allowed so few things to think this is one of the items that you're carrying with you, it really must have meant a lot to him. >> pizi said they never met goodell, and they were housed in separate units, but he did once see goodell in the jail from a distance. >> the way viviana described david to me is that he was a big tough guy. he didn't seem as a tough guy to me. in my eyes, i didn't see him hurting nothing. not even a fly. he was like a mouse to an elephant. >> david is a coward. he's a piece of [ bleep ]. it was wrong for what he did. >> not everyone would agree with pizi's description of goodell. coming up, david goodell gets a visit from the mother of a former girlfriend. but first -- >> he swung on me and we just got in a fight.
>> you have no hair. >> i cut it off. >> you look different. >> you look good. >> thank you. >> i try to come every week. but i talk to david every day on the phone, he'll call me more than once a day when he's freaking out about something. because i can talk him down very easily. what's happened with your face. >> i butchered myself trying to shave real quick. i was a mess, i had a beard. >> i know, now you're bald. not very becoming. >> no? >> no, don't do the bald thing again. it makes you look more like a criminal. >> really? >> yeah. >> because i knew david from filming with him and i truly felt that he was not only an insincere person, he remained a dangerous person. i was really eager to try to figure out what judy saw in david. to allow for this kind of friendship. she was unwavering in her
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support of david. >> ten years later, judy said when david briefly dated her daughter. she said when she heard about the murder and david's arrest, she had a deep emotion. >> it was very perplexing, i didn't know why this was happening, i was not close to david. the end result was, i dink ee e determined i was meant to get in contact with him. >> at first she just wrote to him and then began to visit. >> my daughter is not in any way, shape or form approving of my relationship with david. >> it's caused much discourse between us. i know what he did. i don't condone it i don't accept it. it's just part of him that i don't know. david and i have a connection. i don't know how it got there, i can't begin to explain it. but there is a spiritual connection between david and i, i am very spiritual and i have a very deep faith. and that faith has brought me to david. and i will not turn my back on
that faith, nor will i turn my back on david. >> i consider her like my best friend. kind of like a mother/friend figure. she is a lot older than me, her presence for me is comforting, that's why i value it. >> nobody understands that. >> nobody. >> and they never will and that's okay. >> most people don't understand themselves. >> i haven't had a relationship like that. it's good, it's healthy, it works for me, it works for her. >> no more tattoos on your face. >> i would like two. >> no, come on, david, you look like a freak. >> she's been there since day one. some of my own friends haven't been there because of the severity of the crime, they knew my girlfriend. >> goodell told judy about his interviews for "lockup." >> i was brutally honest about the situation. how i felt about it. because you know what, you want me to lie? i'm not going to do that.
there's nothing nice about murder. >> no, there's nothing nice about murder. but there is a lot nice about you, david. you could have shown those parts. >> he told me very explicitly, what had happened. almost too explicitly and i told him enough. i don't want to hear the specifics. >> to me, he qualifies as a sociopath. i want to know your opinion. >> that's very interesting, to me he does not qualify as a sociopath. to me, i see compassion in him. i'm not denying that his acts make him appear that way. like from commissary money, maybe $200 a month. i'll put money on the phone, maybe another $50. it's not a hardship for me at this point. it's part of my life and what i'll do. as long as i'm able to do it. when you look at yourself, who do you see? >> i see a good person with [ bleep ] background. like i went through a lot of
maintain this relationship, would it be a betrayal to you? >> no, i mean, whatever she does, i would trust that she does a good reason. she's never shown me anything different. there's a different set of rules for people in the street and there's good law, abiding citizens. like you got some old lady she witnesses a crime out her window. she's not in the street. she's not going to kill snitches she not part of that lifestyle, so that doesn't apply to her. but somebody else that's in that life and knows about that life and they know what they're into, it's a whole different set of rules. >> i truly believe that i will be here with david in some way, until the day i die. >> you're going to call me late centre. >> yeah. >> all right and i guess i won't see you until next week. all right, bye-bye. >> bye. >> do you love david? >> yes, i would have to say that on some level, i do love david.
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