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Key to that person's real heart, which is, you know, they feel is a good heart. but inevitably, i think, that person will show his real self. in the case of david goodell, even though he has told us and he's said on camera, i'm basically a good person, he's not. that doesn't mean he might not have a couple of good qualities. but at the end of the day, he calculated a murder and committed a murder and still feels justified in that murder. and i believe he would do it again, frankly, if he were out. >> i do love her? yeah, absolutely. i got a lot of love for her. >> loved ones in your life have ...

High-security unit with few privileges, jail administrators did not take any further action against him. but said they would check his soap and other items more frequently and thoroughly. goodell, however, was not done surprising us. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm here to see david goodell. >> one of his biggest surprises came in the form of david goodell. >> 7:00. >> okay, thank you. >> you can have a seat. >> david and i are friends. i'm kind of like a mother to him. i see him almost like a son and i see a very different david than the david who committed the crime. >> coming up, the woman who t...

David goodell, so i'm sure he must have been felt compelled to tell us that he knew vivianna and they had a real relationship. not everyone would have a prayer card inside their cell. you're allowed so few things, to think this is one of the items you're carrying with you, it must have been meant a lot to you. >> pizzi says he never met goodell and they were housed in different units, but he did once see goodell in the jail from a distance. >> the way vivianna described him to me, he was a big tough guy. he didn't seem like a tough guy to me. in my eyes, i didn't see him hurting nothing, not e...

Of david. >> ten years earlier, judy met goodell when he briefly dated her daughter. she says when she heard about the murder and his arrest, she had a deep emotional reaction. >> and it was very perplexing to me. i really did not know why this was happening, because i was not close to david, but the end result was, i determined that i was meant to get in contact with him, which is what i did. >> at first, judy just wrote to goodell. then she began to visit. >> my daughter is not in any way, shape, or form approving of my relationship with david. it has caused much discourse between us. i know...

In hackensack, new jersey, david goodell was considered a dangerous and manipulative inmate. the only time he seemed to show any regret over killing his 21-year-old former girlfriend, vivianna tulli is when he was meeting with the case manager to prepare for his sentencing hearing in which he was facing anywhere from 30 to 45 years in prison. >> you know, i'm sorry for what i did. >> but even then, he admitted, it was all for show. >> so that's what i'm going to tell them. because my plea is open from 30 to 45. so if there's any type of way i can weasel my way out of a year or two, it's perfec...