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Media persons they don't like. politics they don't like, hillary clinton, adam schiff. they don't like them for other kinds of reasons, not trump reasons, reasons of their own. so they focus very specifically on the defects of the steele dossier and leave many people with the impression that if the steele dossier turned out to be kind of soggy, as it was, as it immediately -- as we said at "the atlantic," it was. i never wrote about it. if that turns out to be soggy, then everything, all the other evidence about something untoward in the trump/russia relationship, that goes away. >> help us wa...

History of financial relationships between trump and bad actors in russia. maybe the answer is there. we don't know because when robert mueller was charged to go investigate this, he was told at the beginning, one place you mustn't look is at the financial record. it's like "columbo" where you're told, you can go anywhere in the house, but not that closet, the one with the bad smell, don't look in the bad closet. by the way, everyone in the house, when you ask about the bad closet, lies about it. >> you also had michael flynn, first national security adviser for donald trump, fired for lying t...

Dossier has been somewhat discredited. it's not just pro-trumpers propping up that illusion. "it wasn't a hoax" in "the atlantic," our guest writes, "instead at almost every turn, trump was helped by people who had little liking for him as a human being or politician but assessed he could be useful for purposes of their own." yes, there should have been an exclamation point at the end of that sentence. david refefrum of "the atlantic with us now. who are these trump nonloyalists who are doing he's bidding? >> president trump is gone, and a lot of people think that means he's forgotten. and tha...