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So they would want to enter into a deal with you. >> and he lies. >> and he lied. exactly. >> and they -- one of the things he pled to, one of the two crimes was lying in the proffer. he's supposed to tell the truth. does that happen. >> oh, all the time. oh, sure. because a lot of times people they hold back and they don't tell you everything. what's really remarkable. >> part of me thinks you got carte blanche, do your thing, dude. >> that's not how it works. it takes time to get people to realize that telling the truth is the key to this cooperation agreement. what's amazing here is that th...

Do now, he has another cooperating witness. jill wine-banks, neil ackerman, former prosecutors. nick, a really remarkable fact. of gays comes in for his proffer. >> right. >> which is february 1st. >> what is a proffer. >> a proffer is going into the prosecutors, sometimes called a queen for a day where what you say won't be used against you but the idea is to convince the prosecutors that you're going to be telling the truth and that you'll make a valuable government witness. so they would want to enter into a deal with you. >> and he lies. >> and he lied. exactly. >> and they -- one of the t...

That he pled guilty to. >> he comes and tells them, the next day dude, you lied. >> he agreed to cooperate at that point. otherwise, they wouldn't have filed an information. >> oh. so that happens right away. >> this happened right away. this could have been an all nighter for all we know where they hammered away at him, impressed the importance of having to tell the truth. and that the only way he could get into trouble was to lie. to know impress that point, they must have come out with all kinds of other information. and that is why this is so remarkable that this was turned around in 24 ho...