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Allowed me to be the first journalist to see mar-a-lago as it was making its debut of a club instead of just his summer -- or winter house. >> so do you remember the day e. jean called you? >> i remember that it was dinner time. i lived on 93rd street then. i had -- based on when it must have been in 1996, i had a 6-year-old and a 2 1/2-year-old. and like many phone calls at dinner time, there must have been a lot of, wait, hold on, put that down. okay, what were you saying? i was a distracted mom of two little kids and had other stuff going on as well. so i remember her talking to me very fas...

She bumped her head against the wall. >> yes, and it hurt. and with his free hands he managed to penetrate her in some form. she said that and i think at this point -- >> she said he had penetrated her with his penis. >> yes yes. and at that point she said she wasn't sure how far, you know, that maybe it was -- i can't believe we're having this conversation. but maybe it was some, maybe it was all. and then she managed to knee him, i think, and leave. now at that point i definitely left the dinner table because i didn't want to say what i was about to say to her, stop it, put that down, e. jea...

Like a lot of people. she moves to her own drummer and i did not think she would. >> i talked to a woman who alleges that mr. trump assaulted which he of course denies. and she said that she in hindsight wishes e. jean had come forward because there is strength in numbers, but -- >> e. jean sort of thinks that these allegations are falling on deaf ears in this country. and i sort of wonder if that's true. i mean, so many people ho hum. have a ho hum reaction to her story, even though hers is the most dramatic of all the accusations and allegations. >> because she is alleging, i mean, rape, whe...

Him, i think, and leave. now at that point i definitely left the dinner table because i didn't want to say what i was about to say to her, stop it, put that down, e. jean, that's rape. he raped you. no, no, it was five minutes of my life. >> you used that word to her, this is rape. >> that's the word that came to mind. that's the concept that i -- you know, it seemed like it was rape. >> when you said to her, that's rape, she still doesn't use that word. >> she hates that word. she -- i didn't even understand that until now. but she didn't say -- she demurred and said, no, we were fighting. fo...

Was pregnant and -- >> right. >> and i think i was pregnant when i met her. >> and you had actually -- you actually had known donald trump back in those days. >> i wouldn't say that i knew him. i would say that i interviewed him in either december of 1995 or january of 1996 because he allowed me to be the first journalist to see mar-a-lago as it was making its debut of a club instead of just his summer -- or winter house. >> so do you remember the day e. jean called you? >> i remember that it was dinner time. i lived on 93rd street then. i had -- based on when it must have been in 1996, i had ...