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The most powerful nation on earth changes your calculus. >> well, i mean, part of it is you get mugged by reality in terms of what happens out there. i do think the process of how that works, we've heard about that, the dcpc process actually doesn't get you to the best decisions. i suspect that president obama thought that as well. he approached it from a very small conservative idea which is will me doing something make this situation worse? and in the case of syria, which is incredibly complex, he always came out on the side, yes, it's going to make things worse and, indeed, it might. that i...

That, the dcpc process actually doesn't get you to the best decisions. i suspect that president obama thought that as well. he approached it from a very small conservative idea which is will me doing something make this situation worse? and in the case of syria, which is incredibly complex, he always came out on the side, yes, it's going to make things worse and, indeed, it might. that is the problem. and as you say, we do not have a plan b right now. there is no plan for regime change. the vacuum has attracted the worst most awful terrorist groups in there. we don't have the moderate oppositi...

The assad regime, hezbollah any of its allies, you need to come back to congress. there is no nexus there. it makes very little sense. we need to know what the plan is. we need to know where this is going before this truly escalates to the point beyond the control of where any of us want to go. >> the point the congressman made there about associated forces is that. isis is a plausible way of interpreting associated forces there with assad it's -- >> very difficult. >> yeah. >> what do you think about the sort of -- the kind of next step idea, right? particularly the sort of ways in which -- i...