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Not to overreact to it, either. >> you said earlier, there's still room for dialogue. are you talking about direct talks? is that the only viable option at this point? that's something the u.s. has always avoided. >> i do think that is -- i won't say the only channel, but i think it's the most promising would be a direct dialogue with the north koreans. we say they really want, as barbara indicated in thinking around the pentagon, is what they're most concerned with is face and leverage and recognition of their status as a nuclear power. they want to be seen as part of that club. you know, i t...

This week. you we heard them say engagement could be possible. it could be the goal of achieving de nuclearization or talks about it. you we heard south korea repeat that engagement can only happen if conditions are ripe. actually, that's exactly the language that was used recently by a top korean dip lo massachusetts he said the doors could be opened to talks if conditions were right. we have this barrage of confrontation, we can say constant missile tests. they will come out immediately and condemn these provocations, last week, the president after the first launch of his tenure often said t...

Successive administrations that have ignored north korea. for the first time, the president says let's talk to china. thief the ones that have aided an abetted that nation for decades, giving them the technology to build the weapons and now it's time to deal with china with the de-nuclearization of the peninsula. >> neil: and he left out there that i'm going to go slow on this crackdown on whether they rig their currency or trade to see what they can do on north korea. but he's obviously, you know, keeping that out there. if they didn't deliver the good on north korea. i know john roberts aske...

Let's wait and see what china does first. that's making a leap of faith and speculating. i think we give china an opportunity to pull some of the levers that they control with respect to north korea. they do not want north korea to become a destabilized regime that would result in a max influx of refugees coming into china. so it's in their benefit, to their absolute national security interest with north korea on the border to ensure that if there's going to be a stable transition of power, that it's managed properly, but more importantly and pressing, how are we going to work the denucleariza...

As well as china and others engage in this de-nuclearization. >> what are you seeing china do now it's never done before? >> they have stopped oil shipments as well, too. you have to understand that north korean trade is almost exclusively with china. they have said openly warning north korea and saying they are engaging with our president to try to tamp down pressures over there. so i think china has stepped up more than they ever have before. that is because of this white house. >> in terms of what we're seeing the president with his role here, it has really been the vice president and vehic...