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With the u.s. thinking he is reasonably open minded to giving it up? >> those are different things. i think both sides want the meeting more than they don't whether it happens on the 12th of june is an open question. there really is not very much time to make that happen. u.s. planning delegation that had been scheduled to go today was pulled back is now going to go today. i think they are on their way. so from the white house side they will at least give it a go to see if they can put it together for the 12th. on the substance question really the united states still only has president moon of...

Reciprocal and facilitate dialogue and gain a lot of insight and understanding about what is going on in north korea, promote information flow into north korea and would give the north koreans a measure of security. and if they can agree to tone down the rhetoric and use that conduit instead that would be an improvement. just a note on de-nuclearization. de-nuclearization could also be a two-way street. that is applied to the united states, as well, where the north koreans can expect us to restrict our nuclear umbrella meaning no more b 1s, b 52s deploying on the peninsula. >> unfortunately, w...

A meeting that will be a public embarrassme embarrassment. he is not willing to provide or put up complete de-nuclearization. complete, utter, verifiable, irreversible abandonment of its nuclear program. it was very clear from even -- even before we -- the hostages came back here based on what we heard from south korean officials, the meetings that the north koreans had had with the chinese, they were going to try and pull what they had pulled in the past. that's asking for concessions on sanctions. that is asking for handouts, and then promising to dismantle its nuclear program and then never...

Mueller do an interview after june 12th when he had gotten north korea off the plate. he was so busy, he didn't have time. well, if there's no summit, he could talk to mueller tomorrow. >> do you think he will? >> i know that is the million dollar question. >> that seems highly unlikely. ned, i want to play something from mike pompeo. >> i think part of the reason we're in the mess is donald trump was leading the nobel chance at his rally. and he gave the impression that this was a done deal. that it was a foregone conclusion that at the least they would meet and indicated we could see verifia...

>> which is hugely significant if that is happening. >> the president really likes to have one-on-one conversations with world leaders even with members of congress. >> a phone call is a lot different. >> he doesn't do that with always people listening. he doesn't want extensive briefings. just following the pattern it wouldn't surprise me. >> another pattern he has is walking away from the negotiating table. >> it's in his book. so maybe this is all falling into that. >> is this the art of the deal vis-a-vis the potential de-nuclearization of north korea? >> i think that is what he is trying ...