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Russia, on de-s.w.i.f.t.ing all russian banks, on making sure that all ports are closed for russian vessels and russian goods with the minimal number of exemptions based on humanitarian grounds. and frankly speaking, i hope we will never face a situation again when to step up the sanctions pressure, you need -- we need atrocities like bucha to be revealed and to impress and to shock other partners to the extent that they sit down and say, okay, fine. we will introduce new sanctions. i don't believe that ukrainians have to pay with their lives, health, and sufferings for the political will of p...

Energy is a particular point in europe. we are over—reliant on russian oil and gas. we plan to reduce significantly that dependency, and that takes time. but, of course, we've also said that everything remains on the table. so, we started with one package of sanctions. we have four now in place. and there is an ongoing discussion about the energy question, because i accept fully your point that we continue to do business because we rely on energy. and the key here is, what impact would it have if we were to do exactly that, withdraw from purchasing energy from russia or, as you say, de—swi...

Remains on the table. so, we started with one package of sanctions. we have four now in place. and there is an ongoing discussion about the energy question, because i accept fully your point that we continue to do business because we rely on energy. and the key here is, what impact would it have if we were to do exactly that, withdraw from purchasing energy from russia or, as you say, de—swift extra banks? we have to make sure that the sanctions impact russia and don't boomerang in a very negative way, notjust on the european economy, but it could have consequences globally. so i think we ar...