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Now he took the trip to malta, it's spreading through there. i understand people i've talked to, in the european papers, it's an enormous paper, less so here, except for "the new york times." >> and it has to be done. >> right, those heathens. >> you know, margaret, i was thinking as i was reading this story this weekend, and so happy that the pope was taking this step -- >> for whatever reason. >> -- this is especially devastating, this sort of scandal, for a catholic church where a person in authority abuses somebody beneath them. because as a southern baptist who went to a catholic high sch...