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If we don't? we in fact are going to be making decisions by ourselves among ourselves or other people going to be telling us what we are going to do. and i think america is tired of the bickering. they want -- they understand that we have to make some sacrifice. and so do the politicians. >> chris: but let me -- >> everybody in america is ready to do that except the politicians. >> chris: let me break in because we are running out of time here. you talk about the other people and that could be in many cases are our creditors. the dig issue is going to be working out a deal torrets the debt lim...

Toural. it should not just involved fending cuts as the fiscal commissionial mission has done. deficits are caused not just which spending which is a driver of course, but also by when you get the folks at the top a big tax break. >> chris: less than a minute left. senator coburn. you voted against the debt limit a half dozen times over the years. what will you need to aflee to plate the debt frame. what was it not raced. so a debt limit doesn't moon we limit our death. just says we are going to pause and borrow more. what do i need? i need absolutely certainty that we made the critical change...

Without any spending. >> i'm just saying -- >> chris: let me talk about that and let me bring in dana because i completely agree with you that the 2012 campaign may have been joined this week and there will be a lot of issues that we are just going to argue about for the next year and a half. but they have to make a deal in the next couple of months on the debt and what i was trying to get at very successfully with coburn and van hollen was what are democrats going to be willing to give and what are republicans going to be willing to accept to increase the debt limit. everybody i talk to says ...

It is not a -- what is the risk if we don't? we in fact are going to be making decisions by ourselves among ourselves or other people going to be telling us what we are going to do. and i think america is tired of the bickering. they want -- they understand that we have to make some sacrifice. and so do the politicians. >> chris: but let me -- >> everybody in america is ready to do that except the politicians. >> chris: let me break in because we are running out of time here. you talk about the other people and that could be in many cases are our creditors. the dig issue is going to be working...

Toural. it should not just involved fending cuts as the fiscal commissionial mission has done. deficits are caused not just which spending which is a driver of course, but also by when you get the folks at the top a big tax break. >> chris: less than a minute left. senator coburn. you voted against the debt limit a half dozen times over the years. what will you need to aflee to plate the debt frame. what was it not raced. so a debt limit doesn't moon we limit our death. just says we are going to pause and borrow more. what do i need? i need absolutely certainty that we made the critical change...