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Embarrassed for the vice president. i mean, the laughs. we counted 82 times that joe biden interrupted paul ryan. i don't know -- >> paul ryan was interrupting, too. >> i don't know who his debate partner was, i don't know, maybe it was ed schultz from msnbc. i'm not sure. >> well, i can tell you, mr. chairman, i would be proud to be the vice president's debate partner after a performance like that because he hit it out of the park. so i'll just take credit for it. i know the vice president watches this show. he stood up for the middle class last night. he fought for the truth. he showed a dif...

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States government sanctioning torture is in our best interest. i do not think torture works. >> can you, mr. vice president, ever envision a time when waterboarding should be used on anyone? >> no. >> no? >> no. it's not effective. >> bill: well now we know the vice president is wrong. it is effective. coerced interrogation led in part to the death of bin laden. but this debate will not go quietly into the night because idealogues rarely admit they are wrong. personal note i like alan colmes, is he a good guy. he makes a good debate partner with monica crowley. as i told colmes to his face his...