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Where carly fiorina is beating handily in poll after poll after poll both nationally and in the early states, she's beating lots of other candidates who are on track to be let into the second debate, but cnn is still not planning on letting her in. they're planning on sticking with this kids table debate plan. which makes no sense and is a disservice to lots of candidates throughout the various tiers of the giant republican field. carly fiorina's campaign sending out this sort of fake petition thing, a way to get your e-mail address, sending out this petition to pressure cnn and the rnc into a...

Excluded shouldn't be excluded. that's a generous thing for the carson campaign to be doing. also on the other end of the spectrum, rick perry, god bless him, yesterday on fox news rick perry also stepped up and said that debate plan needs to be changed if only so carly fiorina can be on that debate stage. >> carly fiorina, i negotiated with carly before bringing hewlett-packard to houston, i think carly needs to be on that debate stage. this is a class act, an extraordinary individual. >> that's nice of rick perry, right, to say about one of his competitors particularly when there's absolutel...

Debate, but cnn is still not planning on letting her in. they're planning on sticking with this kids table debate plan. which makes no sense and is a disservice to lots of candidates throughout the various tiers of the giant republican field. carly fiorina's campaign sending out this sort of fake petition thing, a way to get your e-mail address, sending out this petition to pressure cnn and the rnc into abandoning their debate plans which are going to keep her out of the next debate. finally some of the other candidates are starting to speak publicly about how bad this cnn debate plan is, this...

Candidates were set to be excluded shouldn't be excluded. that's a generous thing for the carson campaign to be doing. also on the other end of the spectrum, rick perry, god bless him, yesterday on fox news rick perry also stepped up and said that debate plan needs to be changed if only so carly fiorina can be on that debate stage. >> carly fiorina, i negotiated with carly before bringing hewlett-packard to houston, i think carly needs to be on that debate stage. this is a class act, an extraordinary individual. >> that's nice of rick perry, right, to say about one of his competitor particular...

He could wait a long time. you're not seeing any action or happening or anything like that. other than, if you look -- when you talk to clinton people what is the thing that concerns them the most about biden? biden's strengths are clinton's weaknesses. authenticity. the idea of connecting on a personal level. biden does that so much more comfortably, or the perception so much more comfortably than hillary clinton and that's the -- it's that contrast that has them concerned. >> all right. let's talk about what has people on the right concerned and that is the debate plan for next week. >> yes....