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Side as a way to get an edge, and it actually does a disservice to a lot of these candidates. for example, i believe that the candidate that does very well is the one that points out who is moving left. who is for higher taxes, who is for a trade war, who is for eminent domain, who is for not tearing up the iran deal. >> who could that be? who could you be talking about . >> no liables therabels there. >> person -- it's trump obviously. >> my point is that's a legitimate debate point. you might say that's bashing but you have to say, okay, is your republican candidate moving left? >> that's no...

Carly fiorina. i predict she will be on the main stage for the next debate. martha: what about rand paul? >> big loser. he got his clock cleaned on the nsa and terrorism. bill: he's appealing to a certain vote were. if you have listen to the arguments back and forth, you can see the points when they are making, that was a legitimate debate point. >> it was. but this is not an isolationist moment in the republican partive. 72% of republicans want to put ground forces in iraq. martha: rand paul wants to win this election. that's his number of one platform. one candidate was not on the prime time...

On so many issues and in terms of inspectors and things at these facilities and i guess the question is keep whatever is negotiated in viena and is anything agreed to there and come back and pass muster for congressional review? >> that becomes the debate point. if you consider what is being talked about now compared to the framework agreement a couple months ago, it is different. we are seeing hedging on the ability of inspectors being able to access uranium sites and they are saying they cannot visit the site and the administration is saying there has to be a process. the process means iran ...

Members of congress and their staffs would have to go into exchanges, and he thought, aha, they'll vote against it. and members of congress said, okay, fine we'll go on the exchanges. and now congress has the status that was totally different than any employer in the country. and there were real consequences. there are consequences to legislating based on what you think will score you a debate point. >> and in this case, what fred upton has done with this bill, is not to order that insurance companies reinstate all of these plans, but to give them the option of doing it. it makes it even worse...

Thought they'd be doing three months ago at this point in time. >> oh, my gosh. >> before he was -- i think they thought they would be signing an immigration bill. there was really -- they thought there might be a 30 to 40% chance they would be doing that. now you have to wonder is he ever going to sign an immigration bill. the town halls, the fight seems to be about health care, most frankly biting the republicans i think coming home to roost a little bit there, but still, it's not popular and it's still a debate point and still the implementation the administration has to do. i think putin i...