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As being in his eyes a fundamental part of the debate process really extraordinary. >> particularly when it's off the air for sometime. there was no cultural cash shay at the moment to bring us up except to give -- for me there was a lot of criticism early on about my character that perhaps he wasn't gay enough or neutered or safe for america. we said instead of running around and sleeping with guys he was looking for one man to love turns out is a much more dangerous idea to americans than we realize. >> 15 years ago, can you believe that? >> no, no, i can't. i mean, we've seen a lot of littl...

Script and the direction of it? >> no. gregg, i think the point in this is that someone is getting an advantage that other candidates aren't getting, and that's the point. it's not let's wait and let's see. again, it's not just about hillary. she's not the only one on the democratic side and, frankly, it's not about picking winners and losers on the republican side. every candidate should have an equal access to air time and opportunity to go out there and tell their story. like i said, piece after piece that's coming out about this documentary, the odds of it being anything but a massive puff...

Going to expand our base. well, by taking nbc and cnn work the very respected networks, out of the debate process, if you could do that, how are you expanding the base? and worse still, both those networks hispanic affiliates which are also covered by this resolution. there will be no debates carried on those hispanic affiliates. it is ludicrous. that and the party's affiliation, that's a great way to expand your vote with hispanic voters. this is silliness and they don't get it. you can have all the nice sounding rhetoric. all the apps in the world. if your policies don't reflect something th...

And run-up to 2016 and primary debates, nor would sanction any primary debates because of planned documentaries about hillary clinton. according to rnc communications director sean spicer, they simply don't want news organizations tipping the scales in the upcoming election. take a listen. >> it is about time the republican party started taking control of the debate process. we need to create a system that puts the party, the best interests of our candidates at stake. >> reporter: and that vote is expected to take place this morning. martha? martha: well, republicans had a lot to think over af...

Published, you can look at it. you can see a great many independe independents look at those two networks and almost exclusively some of them so you're foreclosing reaching out to independents your party desperately needs. >> greg, i would turn this back for a second and say we basically said -- we actually said to nbc and cnn, you guys have be-it's your call. you want to be part of this process, don't do this. they've chosen not to -- so far at least go forward with this. we need to draw a line in the sand somewhere. this is the first step in that. i don't think they are the be all end all of...