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Steve: x1. saw her on tucker carlson's show but i got a few minutes with chelsea. i wanted to ask you about that last debate. you really made a big impact there with what you said about kabbalah harris. did it seem, as you are doing it, i'm taking a riskier and have a moment here that could backfire in a bit of a gamble? >> none of that ran to my head at all. we're talking about an important issue. it's a disservice to voters, i think, that in these debate settings with the rule they have you got 60 seconds to talk about the tens of thousands of people in this country who are suffering and hav...

Steve: x1. saw her on tucker carlson's show but i got a few minutes with chelsea. i wanted to ask you about that last debate. you really made a big impact there with what you said about kabbalah harris. did it seem, as you are doing it, i'm taking a riskier and have a moment here that could backfire in a bit of a gamble? >> none of that ran to my head at all. we're talking about an important issue. it's a disservice to voters, i think, that in these debate settings with the rule they have you got 60 seconds to talk about the tens of thousands of people in this country who are suffering and hav...

Respective visions? >> a few things, wolf. i think it helped senator elizabeth warren from the prior night, because she stayed out of that kind of fray. i think it really hurt senator harris. she's proven that she's good at prosecuting people. she's not good yet in those debate settings of turning to the camera, looking at the american people, and saying, here's why i want to be your president. when it comes to vice president biden, wolf, i am baffled why he has such a hard time defending the obama record. i would be leaning into it if i were him. on august 1st, 2011, this day in obama's prote...

Polls and waiting for him to take command of the stage last night but never happened. is he playing a different game than some of the other candidates on that stage? >> i think in some ways he is. we talked to his business manager and that's his demeanor. he's not going to get out there and lean in and butt in and take time from other folks on stage and interrupt and i think the looming question for him, is he sort of a michele bachmann, herman cain where his time at the head of the pact is brief or is he more like a mike huckabee candidate or rick santorum where he'll be a regional candidate ...

Those are questions that are all going to get asked in debate settings and there's not going to be any dodging them. >> you know, governor, again, i don't know which debate you'll be in or how it'll all sort out. i don't think not to be in the prime time debate might actually be a favor for those in the early debate and that they don't have to compete or risk getting the oxygen sucked out of the room, i don't mean to disparage you or your counterparts or donald trump, but it might be a better venue to be in the early debate because more of a chance to focus on those issues, what do you say? >>...