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>> i did briefings for every member of my caucus that talk about these different strategies, to restore this broken instrument. this is the no debate version of obstruction. no show -- >> any buy-in? >> so, since then i haven't had conversations with him about it. he did speak publicly at some point and said he supported the talking filibuster. it makes sense that those who want to obstruct have to show up and have to be speaking on the floor of the senate to earn that right to a delay. >> so why don't you do it? >> i certainly think it is one of our potential pathways. the path way to overcom...

Have filled that seat that ruth bader ginsburg had retired a little earlier. i wish that for steven breyer. but i won't be calling him up and asking him to do so. >> the difference between your side and the other side. either you play to your advantage or you don't. let me check a couple of other boxes while i have you. one, the talking filibuster. everybody wants to know what you have with biden only. biden isn't your obstacle. it's manchin. have you gone to senator joe manchin and said let's keep the filibuster but let's put back the old rules so it is not an inexhaustible effort? >> i did b...