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We would hear thing about phone calls. >> it's all been pretty ugly for a long time. it's all easier to see. we all said the super pac phenomenon -- actually every time a conservative super-pac has done something. we saw that with the td ameritrade gentleman, and then now obama, this is actually -- >> the idea that there's not coordination -- >> but my point is it goes to what karen is saying, everything sort of, if you're on one side -- >> but come on. >> it hurts his brand. it's not the baquerizo mcmillan that one was such an inspirational figure four years ago, but the change in the topic, ...