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Decades in the making. poverty, corruption, they even throw in climate change. it is hard not to look at these not solutions or problems to solutions or that they're looking for, rather as a dodge, it starts to look like a dodge on dealing with the actual issue at hand. lawrence: last thing, we'll move on, donald trump may have been the border wall guy but joe biden was the border fence guy. we're debating semantics. he was once for it. he voted a ton of times when he was representing -- voted same exact thing. carley: same exact thing. lawrence: we're debating semantics. we never asked the qu...

>> that's what abuse of power is. >> my mom tells me i've got seven scoops of ice cream and five days later and say i had five scoops. it's a bad analogy. >> terrible. you no what you're mother would tell you? if you do it, own it. >> that's a bad -- jared and ivanka had the right to the clearances if they wanted. >> they -- >> yes, they did. >> no they didn't. >> the president has the right to give it to him. >> he has the rights to give it to them. they don't have the right to it. they had to go through the process. >> now -- we're debating semantics now. >> no, new york cito, no. they get v...