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Unthinkable, you know, come this way as far as do the debriefing process. go out on program. >> and you feel comfortable with that decision? >> it's funny, i honestly i honestly believed that because the decision itself tore me up, it was tearing me up, and the few days that it was actually in my head and as i was writing the kite to the floor officer, it was tearing me up. i've been in some straight wars. i've been hit. i've been shot. i've been ran over, crowbarred. and i've done the exact same damage. and i can honestly say that that was the roughest thing i ever had to do. that was my life...

Retaliate against his family if they can't get to him. >> the information provided by former gang members, like inmate spiller, is used to identify and track high-ranking gang leaders inside the prison. it has also proved invaluable to law enforcement. >> they've actually solved homicides on the streets that they had no suspects on through the debrief process. >> debriefing is not enough to destroy the vise grip of prison gangs at corcoran. >> it's just one tool from breaking some of these gang members up from the gang. because for every one inmate that debriefs you have ten in line waiting to...

I seen a lot of bad calls and innocent people getting hurt. and seeing too many people doing things they didn't want to do, being forced to do. it's like the higher you go up, the more you see. >> the debrief process takes months, sometimes even years. because the igi must verify the truth of an inmate's autobiography. >> for myself, back in 2001, when i was in county jail, they ordered me to hit my own uncle because he was a dropout. and then after that, that's when i got my little points, what they call points. they train us to do all that. >> how were you trained? >> you got different educa...

And wanting to change your life. >> for some inmates sny is freedom. the iyp is a small taste of what's to come. after over a decade in the shu, inmate angel chaves looks forward to a more interactive prison program. >> i feel like i got let down by the familia. the situation was, i was doing time for the familia. i've asked for assistance. i'm not going to specify what assistance. i asked for assistance to handle business for me because i was in the business for them. >> sure. >> and they never came through although they said they would. at that point, i felt like, what's the point of this? >...

And after sitting there rotting by myself, it finally popped in my head that, third, but unthinkable, you know, come this way as far as do the debriefing process. go out on program. >> and you feel comfortable with that decision? >> it's funny, i honestly i honestly believed that because the decision itself tore me up, it was tearing me up, and the few days that it was actually in my head and as i was writing the kite to the floor officer, it was tearing me up. i've been in some straight wars. i've been hit. i've been shot. i've been ran over, crowbarred. and i've done the exact same damage. a...