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Didn't appreciate that. >> good enough for me. >> there's no guarantees. so it really has to come from within the inmate of him wanting to change who he is. and it was interesting to see these guys do this and put themselves through this process, knowing that, you know, they're dead men walking. >> for now spiller will stay in a transitional housing unit with other inmates who are also in the debriefing process, all men that raul leon despises. >> i don't know how can they wake up in the morning and see themselves in the mirror. whatever excuse you use to get to the transitional housing unit t...

I was ordered to kill a dear friend of mine, and i really didn't appreciate that. >> good enough for me. >> there's no guarantees. so it really has to come from within the inmate of him wanting to change who he is. and it was interesting to see these guys do this and put themselves through this process, knowing that, you know, they're dead men walking. >> for now spiller will stay in a transitional housing unit with other inmates who are also in the debriefing process, all men that raul leon despises. >> i don't know how can they wake up in the morning and see themselves in the mirror. whateve...

To break me, you know? and some of us are stronger than others. i think that's what pelican bay is about. only the strongest are the ones that are going to make it, you know. >> while leon refuses to disavow loyalty to his gang, the prison sees a slow but steady flow of inmates who do through a process called debriefing. they not only break the code, they smash it to bits. >> it's basically when existing gang members want to get out of a gang inside a prison. and in order to do that, there's a whole debriefing process they have to go through. and it basically entails the inmate coming in and c...

These guys do this and put themselves through this process, knowing that, you know, they're dead men walking. >> for now spiller will stay in a transitional housing unit with other inmates who are also in the debriefing process, all men that raul leon despises. >> i don't know how can they wake up in the morning and see themselves in the mirror. whatever excuse you use to get to the transitional housing unit to me is just a crock of [ bleep ]. it's just a scam. it's individuals just trying to play the last card they have, saying, hey, you know what? i got to get out of here. the only thing goo...

To drop out, inmates must go through a debriefing process which has three missions, first, to determine their sincerity to leave the gang, second, to identify the people who might be a threat to them, since leaving a gang is considered treason, and third, to gather information about the gang. after debriefing, the inmates learn basic education and coping skills in a 14-week program designed to ease their transition back into a mainline facility. >> what seems to be biggest problem in your life right now? >> getting myself on track, keeping myself on track, once i'm there what is the biggest pr...