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but at what price? he made a whole lot of concessions and it darn near came to blows. more on that later. just how did things unfold the way they did on that crucial 15th ballot, and how did mccarthy forces get those 6 never kevin members to end up voting present rather than against mccarthy? pennsylvania republican scott perry was a no vote on mccarthy too, but with he changed his mind a few voting rounds earlier. why then? we'll ask him, because perry is here now. and so is texas congressman keith selt who did the same thing. and look who wells is joining us this morning -- who els...

That's what we have returned to the american people, to be the greatest legislative body on the face of the everett. neil -- of the earth. neil: key to this agreement was another measure to cut spending, tie it to debt ceiling increases. democrats immediately seized on that, sir, to say republicans are going to shut our government down. if they don't get their way, they're going to shut our government down, and this is the tool they'll use to do it. what do you say? >> i say that there is plenty of waste, fraud and abuse, just extra spending in the federal government. we've got plenty of spend...

Reporting, paul ryan doesn't want to deal with this right now and mitch mcconnell definitely doesn't want to deal with this right now. it's the last thing they need when they're confronting the debt ceiling issues. >> are they going to deal with it along with everything else? is this really the frog they want to boil? >> i can't imagine for the reasons glen said, i can't imagine that's the case. there is a very small, very loud caucus or chorus in the republican party that wants to do this, but the leadership does not. they don't want to do it probably ever, and they certainly don't want to do...

We'll have a nice little visit about that before we get into the five or seven month debt ceiling issues. up next, why scott walker may want to rethink his hero worship of ronald reagan. new warnings on climate change. and we're taking your questions on "ask ed live." stay with us. we're right back on "the ed show" on msnbc.