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Well in toronto. >> one more question, sir, i'm just pushing to get it all in. does this finding in your theory of the case mean that collusion in 2016 was more likely because of a history of relationship, or irrelevant because there's a financial debt irrespective of whether there was campaign conspiracy? >> no, i think it absolutely means it's more likely there was collusion. what's important to understand about the russian mafia is it's a state actor. americans may think of the mafia in terms of "the godfather," the italian-american mafia. the russian mafia is different. i interviewed the h...

>> one more question, sir, i'm just pushing to get it all in. does this finding in your theory of the case mean that collusion in 2016 was more likely because of a history of relationship, or irrelevant because there's a financial debt irrespective of whether there was campaign conspiracy? >> no, i think it absolutely means it's more likely there was collusion. what's important to understand about the russian mafia is it's a state actor. americans may think of the mafia in terms of the god father, the italian-american mafia. the russian mafia is different. i interviewed the head of counterinte...