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Which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. grover norquist. grover norquist was out educating conservatives that this afghanistan war was not in their interests from a financial perspective. forget the strategic questions. and from his work, i think, you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and i think most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan. bu...

National security establishment in the obama administration. the question is whether it has happened in congress. do you anticipate a conservative congressional freak-out here, other than from the predetermined one from john mccain? >> well, i think john mccain and lindsey graham and a few others may say it. but listen, very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. g...

America. grover norquist. this afghanistan war is not in their interest from a financial perspective from his work i think you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative support. progressives and most independents already had a great deal of skepticism about afghanistan, but it's these debt issues that have really driven a real collapse, and there is a real support for iraq and afghanistan. anybody who supports an ongoing troop presence, and the mainstream to use, and lately that folks have tried to rile up chuck hagel. >> one last question briefly about chuck hagel. you and i talked...

Lindsey graham and a few others may say it. but listen, very important to go back to the debt ceiling debate, which we came to the edge of real financial crisis in this country. guess who was on jon stewart and stephen colbert in saying we're spending $120 billion in a country with $14 billion of gdp and it's not good for america. grover norquist. grover norquist was out educating conservatives that this afghanistan war was not in their interests from a financial perspective. forget the strategic questions. and from his work, i think, you really begin to see a quick collapse of conservative su...

That's one of the reasons the republicans insisted john boehner insisted that don't bring lew. he knew the budget much better than anyone else. he ran circles around them, but in defense of vulnerable people. >> in addition to that, i think it also shows what's happened in recent history. if you look at the treasury secretary pick for the most recent presidents who have had two terms, you look at the selection of james baker under president reagan. you look at the selection of bob rubin under bill clinton. the selection of john snow and hank paulson and now jack lew, there are two things that ...