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Individual mandates, the get something in return. but i think it's inevitable that since, you know, republicans controlled capitol hill, they want to get blamed if these exchanges go up in flames played >> chris: olivier, let's take a look at the rest of this to-do list. you've got the budget, debt limit, tax reform, where are we under all of that when they come back? >> we are in a bit of a mess. they need to fund the government. the end of the fiscal year is coming up. >> chris: december 30th. >> they need to raise the debt ceiling through the administration is pushing for a clean debt ceili...

Individual mandates, the get something in return. but i think it's inevitable that since, you know, republicans controlled capitol hill, they want to get blamed if these exchanges go up in flames played >> chris: olivier, let's take a look at the rest of this to-do list. you've got the budget, debt limit, tax reform, where are we under all of that when they come back? >> we are in a bit of a mess. they need to fund the government. the end of the fiscal year is coming up. >> chris: december 30th. >> they need to raise the debt ceiling through the administration is pushing for a clean debt ceili...

>> i would provide the kind of leadership that says get on the stick, guys, and stop messing around. and cut where you are need to cut because we're not raising any spending limits period. >> i'm going to try one more time, sir. this is debt that's already obligated. would you not favor increasing the debt limits to pay the debts already incurred? >> what i'm saying is what we have to do is restructure the way that we create that. if we continue along this, where does it stop? it never stops. >> kai ryssdal, i mispronounced that. >> the debt limit is something unfortunately congress has to go ...

Look, we're going to uninstall this fire alarm that congress 100 years ago put in our nation -- >> that's what you believe it is. that's why you think congress should keep this power? >> exactly. we borrowed $17 trillion of debt, a year ago we set the firearm alarm, should we do something to change course? and deeming the debt limit pass, or passing clean debt limits does a disservice to the american people and not forcing the conversation about what we're going to do about a nation's fiscal house that's frankly on fire. >> so what did you want to see attached to it. >> it should have been som...

Will hurt the -- >> the president says i don't negotiate, that doesn't poll well either. [ overlapping speakers ] >> both things are true. it's not the right thing to do. if i was advising president obama, and of course he won't listen to me, i would say, you know what, call their bluff. sit with them. say, let's negotiate. he's saying, i'm ready to talk to them and see what they want afterwards. well, what's the difference between afterwards or, you know, there's nothing wrong with negotiation. >> yes, there is, actually. there is something -- >> -- to be able to understand that. >> what crea...