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Behind whipping the votes to get it behind the finish line and the white house position remains the same and what this underscores is what white house officials have been clear about over the course of the last several months. maybe this is how things have worked in the past, maybe there have been negotiations over debt limits. and really put the country in a pretty difficult and perilous place in the past. this time is different. and the fact that the republicans believe that this is going to all of a sudden unlock some type of negotiation or meeting with the president and the speaker over th...

Life. >> it would be like me saying, guess what, i was a professional volleyball with my 8-inch vertical leap, right? and does that pass any common sense meter at all that george santos is a volleyball player? he might have been the manager. i have seen a lot of volleyball managers. and the fact is, you know, the only thing about baruch that was true is probably how he pronounced it. it's a joke. we have someone like this representing the united states of america, sitting in congressional offices, voting on legislation that lied about playing volleyball. anybody who bought that lie looking at ...

Control that chamber on board behind whatever that plan to get to the president's desk. and you can see the challenge he has in governing only starting today. >> manu raju on capitol hill. thank you, manu. >> with us now is congressman dan muser, republican from pennsylvania. congressman, thanks so much for being here. as manu just laid out, i'll put it up for all of our viewers, what we believe is in this rules package which again allows for a single member to call to vote for ousting the speaker. it targets federal officials' salaries. it caps spending to lower levels for defense and domesti...

What do you make of the implications of this package on the debt ceiling? >> really interesting, as you, know republicans have spent much of the last two years criticizing democrats on spending and saying that things are not stable economically with democrats in control of the white house and congress. we are going to see right now what ideas and policies they are able to put forward to actually have some control as they would define it on debt limits, on spending, on other economic priorities. >> yeah, someone has to tell these members that the debt ceiling is not about spending. it, is in fa...

Consumer, aren't we? >> yeah, you know, charles, we have -- we are a little bit. we think consumer balance sheets are still pretty strong, but are we seeing credit card balances and revolving credit moving higher? we are. it's still less than pre-pandemic as a percentage of debt limits, but it is moving higher. and, obviously, if you have a rail strike, if we start to affect things where 40% of packaged goods are now going to be affected, 50% of commuter traffic on rails is boeing to be a23ebg9ed concern going to be affected, agriculture's going to be affected, obviously, it is going to have a...