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Domestic side of the russian charges. of stone -- we really might be going to the heart of the matter. ed: last point, 15 seconds. that doesn't prove the president did anything wrong or lead to obstruction of justice as we heard at the beginning, might be where this goes. >> we have to look at the charges mueller brought, the russian deception stuff. he has shown he can make it look like collusion without collusion. ed: appreciate the details. score one for the media. a judge ordered the white house to backbone on revoking a reporter's access. howard kurtz has that story coming up. as fires ra...

Missing, the domestic side of the russian charges. stone, he did know about that stone was in communication with trump we might be going to the heart of the matter. >> ed: last point, i've got 15 seconds that doesn't necessarily prove the president did anything wrong, it doesn't necessarily lead to obstruction of justice as we heard at the beginning, might be where this goes. >> that's right. the real challenge is we have to look at the charges mueller brought against the folks involved in the russian deception stuff. he can charge collusion without it being real collusion. we'll see what happ...