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Have right now and that should this be true they were willing to expose themselves. they were willing to step out and try to steal a vehicle. they were willing to shoot at the driver they were so upset or in such a desire to stop that driver and, as you say, if this story is true as it's coming out right now, this guy was extremely lucky, number one, to elude these two, and number two, it didn't take law enforcement long in that area. once they get a report like that you send everybody in that area crashing into that area. that confrontation took place with matt. a gunfight took place between ...

There seemed to be a very direct strategy by these two to elude law enforcement in a certain way using the woods to their advantage, what do you think? >> i think you are right ed. they probably decided together if we try to steal a car, if we try to take a hostage, anything like this that is going to tell law enforcement exactly, to the square foot, where we were at a given time. so i think instead they made their way along these trails. and ed know there are hiking trails. there are atv trails that lead from the jail to owls head to malone. it passes through these trail, passes through all o...

Could. that is positive for law enforcement again. we can hear him. he can see him from the ground. we can see him above. but i think right now you have really got the proverbial man on the run. and he's got to make a decision ed. because very quickly law enforcement is going to give him two choices. surrender or die. and he's going to have to make up his mind which one is he going to do. is he going back to prison? i mean he's doing life. he can't do anymore time than he's doing already. or does he want to go out. we realize this is a guy who killed deputy sheriff in broom county x number of ...

And just know ed i got some information that there has been potentially two different bursts of gunfire that have been heard in the area. one when an encounter was made with matt. and then there was a subsequent burst of gunfire that's supposedly been heard. i don't know what this is yet, whether this is a second sighting. whether it is just a second report of the same gunfire. but there is a hope that law enforcement may be getting very close to the second fugitive who you know is david sweat. >> okay. and clint, one of the things that has to be taken under consideration here as these two wer...

Away, called the police state police and border patrol swarmed into that area and then a shootout took place between matt and the that i have right now, ed. >> so there is a very brave and a very lucky citizen out there tonight who was shot at reportedly by richard matt and that, of course then he went and told law enforcement where this guy is and they closed in on him. i mean that's quite the drama, isn't it client? that's really unusual how these things unfold, isn't it? >> yeah if this is true as the information is coming in and realize you and i have to take the first information and then...