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But when they got there, general caldwell and his staff said, hey, no, we want you to start, you know, using -- we want you to actually work on influencing senators and other military officials visiting to help sort of grease the skids and get what they want. then what happens was the leader of the -- of this information operation cell said hey, that sounds illegal to me. and that was later confirmed with a legal opinion he received from a j.a.g. lawyer. so the question is, why were they using this vital resource, this $6 million a year information operations cell, to try to spin senators? >> ...

To actually work on influencing senators and other military officials visiting to help sort of grease the skids and get what they want. then what happens was the leader of the -- of this information operation cell said hey, that sounds illegal to me. and that was later confirmed with a legal opinion he received from a jag lawyer. so the question is why were they using this vital resource, this $6 million a year information operations cell, to try to spin senators? >> and what techniques do they use in this operation? >> well, i think what's most interesting is that you know, this unit resisted...

Operations cell, to try to spin senators? >> and what techniques do they use in this operation? >> well, i think what's most interesting is that you know, this unit resisted. so it's not as much how nefarious or benign it was. it was that this resource was being used. what colonel holmes, who's the leader of the psy teams, ended up doing was putting together detailed background profiles of the visitors in order to get inside their decision loops. that was another quote that he was told. and to find their pressure points. but like i said, he tried to resist doing this because he felt it was ill...