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Of general stanley mcchrystal. first, what do you make of all of this? >> i think there's been a lot of hype about all of this. if you think about 92,000 so-called secret documents in which there's almost no new information, i think that, you know, do the thought experiment, larry, where these are all unclassify documents. merely because the word secret has been put around them that there's all this excitement, but there's only really one item that's really new, which is the taliban using heat-seeking surface-to-air missiles. but pakistani supporting the taliban military intelligence service, ...

Said earlier, it is -- it poses a very real and potential threat to those that are working hard every day to keep us safe. >> we're back with daniel ellsberg. and joining us, a cnn military analyst. and michael hastings, contributor editor of "rolling stone." his article led to the ousting of general stanley mcchrystal. first, what do you make of all of this? >> i think there's been a lot of hype about all of this. if you think about 92,000 so-called secret documents in which there's almost no new information, i think that, you know, do the thought experiment, larry, where these are all unclas...

And that is, what was not in those 7,000 pages of top secret documents, high-level decision making estimates, what there was not was a good reason for being in vietnam or for escalating or for continuing the war, or if any reason to belief we would do better in the future than we've been doing for the past 2 years. i suspect from what we've seen so far, and the correspondent of that, with leaks from the general, the ambassador there, whose secret cables were leaked in january and revealed his vision was pretty much what these papers are showing for the last six years. i think you won't find in...

Some of the obvious flaws in our afghan policy, i think that's a positive development. >> larry: all right, daniel, ellsberg, you were going to say at the end of the last segment, you wanted to tack on -- >> if i could follow on -- >> larry: yeah. >> let me rather follow on to what peter bergen said for a moment there. the pentagon papers actually did reveal a number of things, but one of the major lessons of that are very comparable to what we're seeing in the reports that have come out so far and what we're going to see. and that is, what was not in those 7,000 pages of top secret documents,...