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People killed. we celebrated the death of zarnds hoim. the area -- the era of reconstruction after the end of the war. we've been through worsz than that. there's a lot at stake because you're dealing with countries trying to answer the question do we go democratic or do we go deck tatership, do we take awayle freedoms? there's an argument that needs to be made on behalf of liberty and freedom. russia's moving away from democracy, moving towards takingle freemds away from their citizens. >> we are the recipients of having the same body clock. i like that you're a night person. i like so much t...

Secular. they are about sort of liberal demands. the freedom for social justice and for an end to the deck tatership. >> so then, john, in your mind, does that help to undermine the significance of the participation by the muslim brotherhood, whether they were ser repetitiously behind this event or they jumped on to this band wag that the people put forward? does it undermine their message if this is a secular event? >> i think it does. if there is a bandwagon, they tried to jump on it and they missed it because it's let me tell the station and it's steaming ahead of them. i think part of the ...