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Were really aggressively focused on anything that had to do with firsthand interactions with trump, especially about conversations related to the declassification process. we have seen that play out in the times of this interview. we have seen official gos in and testify before the grand jury about the declassification process and about their conversations with trump. compared to the biden interview, it was very different. this official went in and it was about the mechanics of these boxes. how did they get packed, who packed them and how did they make their way to delaware. very different are...

This official who served in both trump and the biden administrations, a careerist flr with the class few indication process, has spoken to prosecutors about what donald trump knew, what donald trump was told, while he was in the white house about the process he understood the rules. plus spoke don mcgahn, big players, smart people, close people to donald trump, they all knew the process and talked to trump about it as well. so what trump says publicly contradicts what you have learned here. >> exactly. this is a career official. it's somebody who advised the trump and obama administrations on ...

Nothing approaching that trump had that standing order that i could snap. nothing approached that. i can't imagine anyone that worked at the white house after me would have shrugged their shoulders and allowed that to go forward. kelly making the point that we understood the rules ask we were not casual about them. therefore, the process should have been followed. >> have you ever heard of the declassification order? they have never heard it. clearly, they have never seen it, it likely doesn't exist. it really undercuts so many of the public explanations and public defenses that the trump team...

This former white house staffer who told prosecutors that trump not only knew about the declassification process but also he followed it as president. >> yeah, this is a former career official. it's somebody who advised both the obama and trump administrations on the declassification process and we're learning for the first time that this witness was interviewed by both prosecutors in the trump documents case and biden documents case. what they laid out for us was a starkly different tone in both investigations and, one, he told the prosecutors in the trump case it was clear, trump knew the pr...

Docs or so. and this really is a strong candidate for exactly the reason katie said. everything's been nailed up, for, i think, a long time. and the only remaining question even that is not much of a question is about state of mind. and, yes, for trump, whatever that paper is, it looks like meadows is misdescribing it. someone has said, maybe he's just faking it, it doesn't matter. the words coming out of his mouth meant, one, he's kept classified documents, and two, there are rules what he can do with them so it completely puts a lie to the malarkey he's said again and again that he automatic...