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Tens of thousands of e-mails, power points, all kinds of stuff, all stored somewhere in the cloud. but we still have a tiny staff of people at the national archives for the declassification process. he estimated that it could take five years for a request to declassify a single document to even make it to the agency that has to decide whether to do so. another scholar, matthew connelly of columbia points out that the u.s. government spends $18 billion a year on classifying and protecting information, and just $100 million on de classification. most presidents come to office promising to open u...

So there is a lot of questions there. at the end of the day, the same underlying crime exists even if there are differences in aspects of the case. >> laura: the argument is often made that the president, himself, has the legal authority, jonathan, to declassify documents but the vice-president does not. is that correct? >> right. in terms of the declassification process, you are with the same position in many respects. donald trump said that he declassified everything. we haven't seen a record of how that was done. there has been no allegation or no suggestion that these documents were declas...

When we find out about them is because we need to deter other people from acting this way, who are generally people all the time for far less crimes, more minor ones, drug offenses, and the like. i think it's impossible for merrick garland to look the other way. >> the cross memo, as they call, it points out that it is not legally relevant weather data documents that were found or classified or not that the charges that they are talking about do not turn on the classification status of the documents. but we did get a new defense presented a few days ago in the special master filings where the ...

Little bit. >> the big declassification in his trump administration. and his cronies stopped the declassification process. there is this mountain of documents and he walked out, and his cronies would say we're not gonna do that. >> well pretty huge development. the attorney general just cried to describe kash patel limited immunity for prosecution in exchange for his testifying about trump stash of stolen documents. joining me now is joyce vance, former used to deter any for the district of northern alabama, michelle teaches law at university of alabama. let's start on this law, which i didn't...

Can disclose it. the fact that he kept secret, that is the part that does not make sense. you don't say anything about it. you weren't interested in having the sources hand -- that is normally what you would do if you went to declassification process. >> and then we have the new york lawsuit against trump, his children, and the business that charges say he defrauded the value of the assets. trump took to social media. but he said james is a racist attorney, unquote. how serious is this case against trump? >> i think that this is a very serious case we. we are a society that loved lying crime, ...