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Do you read anything to that? do you take that as any indication that potentially passengers were trying to exit the aircraft if it did successfully ditch into the water? >> it's tempting. it's tempting. but i think we should resist the temptation because it is just two data points. yes, perhaps you can imagine a scenario when the plane ditched and the door opened. but it could also have been separated at a decompression event at altitude and so there's multiple reasons that you could get that same, you know effect. so i don't -- i think we should at this point -- >> be wary. >> yeah yeah. >> ...

Look, there's various reports about altitude changes, some down to 12,000 feet, maybe lower, to do with a decompression event. the reality is this, for the plane to have gone from the straits of malacca, down to the southern indian ocean, where we understand that it is, it would have had to have climbed back up to 35,000 feet. it's cruising altitude, approximately 30 to 35 thousand feet. otherwise, it would not be able to, with the fuel on board, it would not have been able to reach so far south. it would in fact only reach an area about half of that distance on the midwest coast of western au...

They have every right to look into it. >> they must. >> jeffrey thomas, you've spoken to an expert about what would have had to happen for this plane to take this course. what did they tell you? >> look, there's two elements to this. first of all, there's the course change that has to be human input. it can't be anything else but human input. reprogramming the flight management computer, it has to be done manually. the other thing we -- has been told is there is altitude changes. the detail of that varies a little bit. but some have that altitude down to 12,000 feed because of a possible decom...

Some decompression event that causes a lot of what we have seen. so, yes, it is quite a stretch because you have lost all of that communication capability and you have this rapid dissent apparently, quick turn around back to land. but you can still come up with a scenario where some sort of mechanical failure would cause that. i think it is unwise to rule that out at this point. >> what mechanical scenario would have all of these pieces still fit in? it is not so bad to call a may day. you turn around but don't tell anybody. what might explain that? >> what about the lithium batteries? what ab...

To suggest one direction or another. they've all got to be checked out to see which of those actually leads to the truth. right now, isolated data points and a lot of theories. >> isn't it true that a dramatic turn like the one that is hypothesized could have been done by a pilot just as easily as auto pilot? >> i think that's correct. but again, we don't know. look, i learned in my old profession in intelligence there's a difference between a secret which is something you really learn hard to discoverable and knowable and a mystery. >> when we think about the idea of terrorism, is there any r...