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Numbered really into the thousands. somewhere between 1500 and 2000 counter protesters. the white nationalists were outmatched. they were disorganized and dee legitimatized by that poor showing that they had. and we should say good thing they had a poor showing. you did see a real kind of level of organization on the other side that made the effort really mounted by jason kessler to look really, really bad. so at this point -- we should also mention of course he did not get the permit he was seeking to do this follow-up rally, this sequel in charlottesville. and that's one of the reasons, the ...

The lay of the land of the world. and if he would have read it like a book, he may have been able to change what he did monday. >> mark, this is the kind of thing he would ordinarily call fake news. you guys are so fake, you're acting like i took a line out and you're acting like i added a line. well, except for now there's camera proof because he left his notes in front of him and now we can zoom in and you can see, right, there it is. there was no collusion. he added that in, and then made the point again and again. here he is. >> there was no collusion at all, and people have seen that and ...