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Chris, thanks for your time. let's start with this. your provocative claims say that the country is facing the inevitable collapse of the american empire. how do you back that up and what do you mean by that? >> first of all, we've extended ourselves militarily 17 years now of warfare into conflicts that are futile that we're not going to win, exhausting trillions of dollars while the country is being hollowed out by the inside, not only in terms of deindustrialization but austerity. and the orchestration of the largest american wealth in history. you can't do that with an oligarchy system and...

Black, white, red, yellow, we had christians, buddhists, trying to bear witness to love and justice in the face of this vicious white supremacy. it was a two-day moment, which i think i witnessed one of the lowest moments in the history of the american empire. we are already in deep decay. we have corruption among our elites and a culture that is collapsing in terms of a spiritual blackout. and we have a president that has made this a normal way of life, so you can't trust him. he has no moral credibility, unfortunately. so somehow, we have to engage a fightback. we have to be not self-righteo...

Kind of hatred up front on saturday when 20 of us stood there and watched us the various fascist units marched and cussed. you had the nazi torch march where we were held hostage in st. paul's memorial church, with seth and brother payton and sister elaine, who all of us were trying to bring together, black, white, red, yellow, we had christians, buddhists, trying to bear witness to love and justice in the face of this vicious white supremacy. it was a two-day moment, which i think i witnessed one of the lowest moments in the history of the american empire. we are already in deep decay. we hav...

Democrat, this governor has tried to shut people out to the point of closing the entrances. >> and, john, the budget, the devil is in the details. what's in this budget that is really crippling to the state of wisconsin in your opinion? >> well, if the governor's budget proposal, which will come out tomorrow, does include what we're told, it will be devastating for our public schools. we have a deal in wisconsin where we pay our taxes into the state and a lot of our funds then come back to our school districts and local government. what the governor is proposing is nearly a billion dollar cut ...

Tried to shut people out to the point of closing the entrances. >> and, john, the budget, the devil is in the details. what's in this budget that is really crippling to the state of wisconsin in your opinion? >> well, if the governor's budget proposal, which will come out tomorrow, does include what we're told, it will be devastating for our public schools. we have a deal in wisconsin where we pay our taxes into the state and a lot of our funds then come back to our school districts and local government. what the governor is proposing is nearly a billion dollar cut in public education funding....