Boldly and courageously. and of course this is an election. there will come a point where we start to dial that thing back into what we actually might be able to accomplish. but i just love the fact that you had people who are willing to talk about big things. just because this big thing doesn't mean it can't happen, it just means it hadn't happened yet. >> what i love -- >> sorry? >> there were a lot of big moments last night. >> it was a long, serious, deep discussion about policy. that discussion on health care, that went on for, like, 35 minutes and there were differences. there were real ...