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We had our agony pain meeting. >> what you call it? >> annual agony of pain. yes, and said just give me like a ten minute synopsis how this thing is going to impact my company and the three of them kind of looked at each other, we've gone to seminar after seminar and mike, we can't tell you. i think that kind of sums up the uncertainty. >> the uncertainty so then you're afraid to hire people because you don't know what they'll cost? >> if i was trying to get to you fund a business you started and asked hee what my payroll was going to be three years from now per employee, if i went to the deep...

We had our agony pain meeting. >> what you call it? >> annual agony of pain. yes, and said just give me like a ten minute synopsis how this thing is going to impact my company and the three of them kind of looked at each other, we've gone to seminar after seminar and mike, we can't tell you. i think that kind of sums up the uncertainty. >> the uncertainty so then you're afraid to hire people because you don't know what they'll cost? >> if i was trying to get to you fund a business you started and asked hee what my payroll was going to be three years from now per employee, if i went to the deep...