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Perpetrator, the idea is, low, black students can't be judged by the same standard, they've got to be held to different standard, in essence, they are department or agency, moral accountability. i kind of deep presumption here of inferiority, at least in the manner that the students are treated, not just in the school but what's happening in schools and campuses around the country. >> laura: that whole crowd, the antiracism handbook, they believe that, correct, that there is no possibility of racism or racist views really being held by nonwhites. that seems to be where they are going. >> this,...

Is something inherently, residually wrong with black people. far less frequently to impoverish black folks find a public ally willing and able to insert without qualification their humanity, dignity and absolute worthiness. coates has done so unwaveringly. and watching it happen in realtime has been stunning. i am pleased to welcome to the table, ta-nesehi coates. and we invited jonathan chait, but he was not available. thanks for being here. >> thanks for having me. >> this has taken on a high level of public interest. to what do you attribute that at this moment, given that you write about t...