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Government, and at this point that's not the influence that the u.s. or the latin american countries really have. >> eric farnsworth there talking with me earlier. we are learning more about the investigation into the trump administration's possible ties to russia. "the new york times" is reporting that special counsel robert mueller, seen here, is trying to interview current around former senior officials from the trump team. that includes former white house chief of staff reince priebus who was dismissed last month. the report says mueller is also asking the white house about specific meetin...

>> don't you think that would be more interesting than finding out for the 10,000th time who is going to pay for the wall? >> bill: i have known him so long i know how is he going to answer every single question. you are not going to get what you are looking for. you are not going to get some l deep-seated psychological answer.go >> i agree. >> bill: you're going to get, hey, i want the facts to be told. i don't want any distortions. i think the press is dishonest. he is going to come back to those things to justify what hes says. and as far as -- i'm not sure whether americans at this point c...

Got into this job. >> but he had governor part, which is not bad either. but he understood what it took. what working people are going through. i think that's interesting about -- about president-elect trump and i think that's why he won. >> he certainly tapped into something and people are going to have that after analysis, what does this mean for white america? they were so dominant in this election. you on the personal side, so to understand peter's point we have to understand who trump is. and in your understanding of him as a person, do you believe that intolerance is something that's dee...

Rare. there was one other case recently last year, the alleged right-wing couple who shot some police in las vegas. but this appears to be a very different kind of case. and there are so many kind of ways that this problem seems to morph now that yes, i think it is ultimately very hard to know what the motivation was in any kind of clear sense because i think frankly it's a number of things in many of these cases. you have this combination of ideology, of deep-seated grievance, of mental health issues in a lot of these cases. it's very hard to pin down in a lot of ways. and i think this case e...

Unknowable at some level? >> yeah. i think that's right. some of those details you're describing really are truly mind-boggling, shocking. and on a subject we're pretty numb to at this point. you're right that a woman shooter being involved is pretty rare. there was one other case recently last year, the alleged right-wing couple who shot some police in las vegas. but this appears to be a very different kind of case. and there are so many kind of ways that this problem seems to morph now that yes, i think it is ultimately very hard to know what the motivation was in any kind of clear sense bec...