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These islands, then oil can obviously get through those spaces. but if you don't have space and build a berm wall, essentially, then that blocks the tides going in and out, which itself could kill the wetlands. isn't that just a basic conceptual flaw with this plan? >> well, one has to assume that what they're trying to do is use these sand berms to seal off some of the shallow passes that were formed in areas like the chandeleurs when the islands were flattened by hurricane katrina, and that they will develop a plan to attack the deepwater inlets and passes in between the berms in some very a...

But it seems to me the design is flawed. because you have to have space between these berms, between these islands, then oil can obviously get through those spaces. but if you don't have space and build a berm wall, essentially, then that blocks the tides going in and out, which itself could kill the wetlands. isn't that just a basic conceptual flaw with this plan? >> well, one has to assume that what they're trying to do is use these sand berms to seal off some of the shallow passes that were formed in areas like the chandeleurs when the islands were flattened by hurricane katrina, and that t...