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Their equipment at deep water horizon? >> well, bp does not have a lot of best friends in this area right now. but on the other hand, i don't think that anyone thinks that all of the executives of bp sat around a board table last year and said, i know what we'll do. we'll have a big explosion and a big disaster. so it's not in their interests either to have such a terrible thing happen because it's expensive for them. and, of course, it's a dreadful thing for us on the coast. so like them or hate him, they are what they are. >> when there is a drilling moratorium, the drilling industry and its...

Genuinely surprised when the deep water horizon blew up that oh, my god the blowout preventer didn't work. that was supposed to be the last thing that stood between us and a disaster of the magnitude that did happen. so that was disturbing, even appalling. but you have to keep in mind anyone should keep in mind that's the thing that is supposed to stand between the kind of disaster that happened. a lot of other things should not have happened as well and all of it has to be fixed so that we can have a safe drilling environment. >> absolutely. and well put i would say. in terms of the bp disast...

They are flawed in a way that -- such a way that the very accidents they're supposed to stop from becoming disasters, those very same accidents can render them inoperable, can just take them out so they can't do their jobs. we knew that things could go wrong with blowout preventers. what we did not know is that if things didn't go wrong with them they still might not work. that by design some blowouts will just still happen, will just render the blowout preventers pointless. in other words, there is no fail-safe. if this thing here is the backup plan, it means there is no backup plan. we did n...

Particular should get extra scrutiny because of what happened on their watch with their equipment at deep water horizon? >> well, bp does not have a lot of best friends in this area right now. but on the other hand, i don't think that anyone thinks that all of the executives of bp sat around a board table last year and said, i know what we'll do. we'll have a big explosion and a big disaster. so it's not in their interests either to have such a terrible thing happen because it's expensive for them. and, of course, it's a dreadful thing for us on the coast. so like them or hate him, they are wh...

From the "new orleans times-picayune" "permit is an important step on drilling." "independent scientists detailed months ago how most drilling could safely resume." from the "biloxi" sun-herald," "america needs energy and workers need jobs." from the "mobile press register," "deepwater drilling is important to coast and nation." they noted that the government gave out the permit because "noble energy had proven it could drill safely in a post-bp spill environment." which would be awesome. if we all believed it. that said, a report given to the interior department last week reveals that what am...