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I'll get you a lawyer. and now here he is caught in the web of a many year possible charge for conspiracy to obstruct justice. >> well, i think the point you just made last explains it, bryan, am i wrong? the fact donald trump provided the attorneys for walt nauta and now carlos de oliveira, and his political pac paid for the attorney fees. doesn't that explain why they're siding instead of cooperating with prosecutors? >> well, they certainly made a decision not to flip, and it will become less and less likely they flip as time passes. the fact they have lawyers who are likely working togethe...

Blower to making the choice to actually become a whistle blower. a lot of people through that decision making process? >> when you're in positions of privileged access like a systems administrator for these sort of intelligence community agencies, you're exposed to a lot more information on a broader scale than the average employee and because of that you see things that may be disturbing but over the course of a normal person's career you would only see a couple of instances. when you see everything you see them on a more free defense basis and you realize some of these things are actual abus...