Saying that trump's indictment is serious, and could hurt their 2024 chances. but none of them, no one, will actually say that publicly. let's bring in my next guest, both california democrats -- congressman ted lieu sits on the house judiciary committee, and congresswoman judy chu, is a member of the house ways and means committee. it's great to have both of you with us. congresswoman, i'd like to start with you. what do you make of this desperate push from republicans to deflect and use whataboutism to just -- diminish the problems of donald trump? >> the republicans are just hiding behind a...