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Be fiscal. the republican party, they are not the party of fiscal responsibility. i wasn't done saying how many people as embarrassing for it. i just led with the freedom caucus. >> pete: mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and leadership are cutting these deals with democrats in order to get them past. the reality with democrats as they love the wall more than they love -- they hit the wall more than they love dreamers. that's what it comes down to. they hate what trump is trying to do more than they love fighting that pathway and president trump is calling their bluff on that. >> melissa: they got...

Year, $616 billion come from medicade, children's insurance programs. $193 billion food stamp.$143 bi financial aid. do you object to any of this? >> well, two points. matt said something i want to respond to which is that, you know, we tried this strategy that donald trump is proposing in the bush administration. we had big tax cuts and defense increases. what we ended up with was a great recession, financial collapse. we're trying exactly the same economic strategy again. i worry that we'll end up with the same results. in terms of the spending cuts, they disproportionately fall on trump vot...

Furloughed, 1.3 million were required to work without knowing when they would get paid. >> you an i have had these discussions before. every single one of those folks got paid. everybody always has. during the temporary lapses in appropriation. it's not desirable. you asked what a good one would look like. a good one would be something that fixes washington, d.c. permanently. yes, sir? >> as you walked into a meeting an were very frank footed about defunding. what happened between that meeting and now. >> that meeting took place in early march. we came late to the game. i got put in this offic...

Day. i don't think this guy gives a damn what he leaves in his wake years from now when you look at some of the things such as even epa, but it's basically, boy, if i could just move numbers over 24 months, regardless of the repercussio repercussions, i get the score. >> i think that is actually president bannon that you're worried about there, because there are more concerns about his lack of empathy, his lifestyle, his beliefs, and his ideology that backup what you're saying. i've known donald trump for 15 years. you've known him for a long time. have you seen him be empathetic? i have. have...

He made, politically solid position. therefore he is going to have to massively cut, we hear, the state department. when he has payouts to peace and outstretched hand to a peaceful world and all of that, well, there are consequences of these deep cuts. when he talks about cures and you have to cut medical research in order to try to pay for the defense increases. >> cut fda, that's where you get the cures. >> i know something about this. i have a child with a chronic illness and wife who started a research foundation to try to find cures. truth is basic research that needs to get done has to b...