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They say the democrats did that, michael. >> but he also has a right, a presumption, of being innocent until proven guilty. >> 100%. >> he should also want the investigation, should also want the fbi to go in there and find out what happened. if he's saying -- and he said categorically he's innocent. >> do they share his confidence in himself? do his sponsors, the white house, that's what it is, how do they come up with those people so quickly, they heard about this. what they did they went into defense mode. they didn't go into dedeuce mode. they're his sponsor, not a fair broker in the situa...

You can see chuck todd is beside himself with this conversation over objective truth. >> rudy's back is up against the wall just like president trump's. they're clearly in a really difficult defense mode. but on one level, rudy is right. i said that with a giant asterisk. he is right. for a part of the country's population, the truth is not the truth anymore. president trump's accomplishment is to destroy the notion of a commonly accepted set of facts. the truth is what the president says it is. for a portion of his base. now that's not every trump supporter. it's not the 40% that say they app...

Points. to that point, if we are going to be successful in 2020 or 2018, the message has been consistent and clear. i think democrats will continue to run that message. >> who am i to give the democratic consultant advice. >> go ahead anyway. stay in your lane. >> clearly different with these messages. they are pushing more of a socialist agenda. [talking at the same time] >> ramp up the rhetoric of impeaching the president that's only going to fire up the president's base any time they feel like the president is in defense mode, we know those voters show up. ed: last word antwon. >> you say t...

Interest. you would have to ask michael cohen but i do think that part of it is that the underlying claims in the case really, that the tide really turned in our direction. >> then the other piece of this is that as a matter of discovery you were all going pretty aggressively from documents for michael cohen's side which could have been embarrassing to the president. >> i don't know how he felt about that but certainly part of a legal proceeding is discovery. >> i also think there is a reality for michael, he's said this and i believe this to be true -- he's got a lot on his plate and a lot of...

Released. dana, this is a problem. for now, sarah sanders. >> there are so many problems. as you said, the timeline and the reality of what they're saying now about the swift action that they took versus the reality of what was going on and the fact that kaitlan collins, our white house correspondent just confirmed that sarah sanders brought in four print reporters to speak off the record to rob porter to get his side of the story on wednesday. wednesday being the day that these photos came out. the photos came out online wednesday morning. of course, it flies in the face of the notion that jo...