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The old metrics that we used to measure power is not going to be the same metrics that matters 20 years from now. primarily military spending, right. >> well, we have to have a serious military budget. and that's what i call heart power. but you also have to have what i call soft power, the ability to attraction. and that comes out of your -- in fact bob gates when he was secretary of defense once said that the -- and this is back in bush 43 administration. the problem we have we don't invest in soft power. and we need both. >> $550 billion pentagon budget do we need more? >> i don't think we ...

Problem they have is that not one, not two but three of the prosecution's medical examiner experts concluded that cardiac arrythmia may have caused the death. you have to wonder if that's going to get them to that reasonable doubt that the defense needs. the only thing is that recently in other cases we've seen similar evidence be enough for conviction. so it is a question of whether the science will be enough for this jury. >> and paul, the prosecution says that their plan on calling several inmates who are going to testify that mcneal told them he was responsible for his wife's death and tha...

One, not two but three of the prosecution's medical examiner experts concluded that cardiac arrythmia may have caused the death. you have to wonder if that's going to get them to that reasonable doubt that the defense needs. the only thing is that recently in other cases we've seen similar evidence be enough for conviction. so it is a question of whether the science will be enough for this jury. >> and paul, the prosecution says that their plan on calling several inmates who are going to testify that mcneal told them he was responsible for his wife's death and that the cops wouldn't be able to...

Experts concluded that cardiac arrythmia may have caused the death. you have to wonder if that's going to get them to that reasonable doubt that the defense needs. the only thing is that recently in other cases we've seen similar evidence be enough for conviction. so it is a question of whether the science will be enough for this jury. >> and paul, the prosecution says that their plan on calling several inmates who are going to testify that mcneal told them he was responsible for his wife's death and that the cops wouldn't be able to pin it on him. i mean, does testimony from inmates hold a lo...

Be compelled to testify against yourself. this case has to be proved by the prosecution beyond a reasonable doubt, the defendant doesn't have to say anything. if evidence has been presented that's favorable, if the prosecution doesn't make the case, they will wait until the end to see if he takes the stand. right now, he doesn't have to so far. >> and you know what, at this point, kimberly, if i were trying the case, i obviously don't have the wealth of the information that the prosecuting lawyers have and defense lawyers, as an outsider, if i were making a call now and i was defense, i wouldn...