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Action. it may be harder to prove direct action in the collusion. but i think trump has the obligation to sit down and explain it. from a defense perspective that's something that his lawyers are advising him not to do but trump knows better than any expert so he's going to do what he wants to do. >> there are reports that the trump administration is becoming increasingly nervous about the mueller investigation. do you think we could get to a point -- this is a question i've asked everyone -- where president trump would feel he must fire mueller? >> i certainly hope not, because i think that w...

That. when you try a lot of cases, what you know is a really horrible fact like that will help your case, if you've got decent evidence. if you don't, it won't. >> jon: ironically technology help set her free because technology proved from his cell phone records that on the night of the massacre he went to a number of places, downtown orlando, google nightclubs, found a couple, drove around, drove to pulse, drove somewhere else, drove back to pulse. the argument the defense made was that he didn't know what he was going to do that night and she couldn't know either. >> technology can go either...

Determine whether or not his mental capacity is to the point that he understands what's happening. that's really troubling from a defense perspective. don't get me wrong what happened here is terrible. but the court has a system in place where we have to determine whether or not somebody understands the charges. you can't plead guilty if you don't understand the charges. >> the couple took him in in the fall said he said i'm sorry. >> understanding the charges is different than being legally -- does he understand when he planned this killing, tried to -- got the kids into the hallway by pressi...

White house legal team be caught flat-footed again and again. what that means for bannon talking to mueller is it's tough to game out how ready they'll be from a defense perspective for any information that bannon gives special counsel. >> it does sound chaotic that there's someone who does have grounds for claiming executive privilege, who doesn't at all, and then two other people who have seemingly no grounds for it are claiming some kind of privilege. thank you for your input tonight, betsy. >> sure thing. coming up, donald trump has the republicans headed for a possibly shutdown this wee...

In a way that many members found to be heartening but also extremely out of step with the message the white house has been sending. so it seems like, this will probably not shock folks to hear, the white house's planning for these hearings is not as organized and put together as folks in the white house may have hoped it would be. the result is we're seeing the president's legal team and the white house legal team be caught flat-footed again and again. what that means for bannon talking to mueller is it's tough to game out how ready they'll be from a defense perspective for any information tha...